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Utopias in history and an environmental disaster
Rutger Bregman explores past attempts to create a better society, while Julian May explains what happened when a huge oil tanker ran aground off the British coast in 1967

Published: March 16, 2017 at 2:34 PM
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Writer and thinker Rutger Bregman discusses his new book Utopia for Realists, exploring examples of how to create a better society. Meanwhile, we speak to BBC radio producer Julian May about the aftermath of the Torrey Canyon disaster, when a huge oil tanker ran aground in 1967.
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